dr. higgins, can you answer the questions for me for your facility? >> thank you for the question. i find myself in a similar situation as dr. o'brian. on the in-patient, we have a full-time pa and arnp with a psychiatrist who supervises that work. i'll have to get back to you with respect to the total number of psychiatrists in the facility. >> do you have a ballpark? >> let me get back to you about that. >> okay. you talked a little bit about staffing in the previous question. do you think that if we have sufficient number of psychiatrists in the va system to treat these issues? >> under our review, we looked at the staffing specifically of particular residential programs, so i would not be able to comment on the adequacy of staffing for the other 140va facilities as far as availability of out-patient services. there's staffing for the particular programs we reviewed, which were residential, and in-patient in nature. >> i'm concerned about the testimony we heard from the first panel, that they're seen by medical students, untrained professionals, and really would like an answer ba