i said this to the court repeatedly, if dr. hines can do all these things to an animal in person, why do you think his capacity to exercise judgment utterly disappears merely because he's having a conversation over the internet? it doesn't make any sense. there is no rational conception of a doctor and patient in which that makes sense. >> the issue, though, is where the regulation is going to happen. so let's say that the animals were in another state. he's taking -- he's charging for the advice he's giving, just -- but the other state -- the -- has basically no ability inside that state to challenge any problem if there were a serious problem. so there's at least a -- i think a clear risk to consumer protection, if you were to say, you're a doctor in maryland it's up to you your judgment whatever advice you want to give, medical advice prescriptions, anything, on any topic, because you know my license is -- i can take care of big people as we call adults in pediatrics. and then it's all back on the maryland medical board where they