and dr ibrahim is the first person who has success fully challenged this list in court, which tells you how effective the redress is given the list has been around since 9/11. will ibrahim's case make a difference? you'll meet a student stranded outside the u.s., and then discovers he was placed on this list. you'll hear his story when we come back. peace, and this is a vibrant community of people from all over the globe who want to be so after finishing my masters program, my brothers and my father came down to visit my graduation, and we took a trip. finally we were trying to print out our boarding ticket. me and my father were both stuck and they told us that there's nothing they can do. it took 30 minutes. they were on the phone and didn't know what was going on. we are basically stuck there and told us we would have to go to the u.s. embassy. we were able to fly back. me and my dad had to go to the u.s. embassy. we took a taxi. we thought it was a simply mistakes, something is going on. we'd be on the next flight. >> i have to say, you discovered that you were put on the list. how

dr. ibrahim, we saw it was an injustice done, and we thought it was our obligation as attorneys and defenders of the constitution to take this case on. >> i to the get to mr. ibrahim's case later on. but marti, talk to us about when the no fly list was created and why? >> it was created in 2003 by a presidential directive as a result of what happened at 9/11. prior to that, government agencies had watch lists. they had no interoperability and they couldn't see what was on another agency's watch list and it did not work. and local police agencies had no access whatsoever to any of those watch lists. >> how does a person get on the no fly list? you represent a lot of folks trying to get off of it. >> so the criteria that we know about, known or appropriately suspected terrorists, and that's what the fbi screening centers say. but what we found in practice is that the no fly list targets predominantly the american muslim community and somali community. and it seems to be predicated on foreign travel to places like somalia and yemen and other middle eastern and south asian countries, and it also

dr. dina ibrahim, and i'd like to remind our audience there will be a book signing after the top so, please, feel free to stick around and get your copy signed by the professor. and this is also important, you can find out more on karima bennoune.com. karimabennoune.com. now this meeting of the commonwealth club of california celebrating 110 years of enlightened discussion is adjourned. [applause] nobs knox. [inaudible conversations] >> you're watching booktv, 48 hours of nonfiction authors ask books every weekend on c-span c-span2. here are some programs to look out for. today at 5:15 p.m. eastern, brad peltser talks about his illustrated children's series, "ordinary people change the world." then at 11 p.m., p.j. o'rourke on the baby boom, how it got that way, and it wasn't my fault, and i'll never do it again. tomorrow at 5:30 p.m. eastern from booktv's college series, we speak with bonnie morris. ms. morris will also be our guest on "in depth" february 2nd. she'll answer viewer questions life for three ore hours. and -- hours. and at 10:30 p.m., larry schweikert presents "a patriot's hi