dr. james dobson. he's the founder of focus on the family, dr. dobson. >> reporter: for instance, here's dobson in 2009 on fox news' "sean hannity show." he talked about what he believed was president obama's misunderstanding of america's religious culture. >> it does bother me, and it also bothers me that he doesn't seem to understand those judeo-christian values and roots. >> reporter: although jim daly doesn't criticize james dobson directly, he does say political activism by christian evangelical leaders has often been a mistake. >> i think for christians we should have calculated that a little differently, and not to be wrapped around the axle of politics. because the issues we are dealing with, although they are in the arena of politics, when we get to abortion and marriage and other things, i think we let the rhetoric capture our hearts, so we came across as more patisan than i thk wshou have. >> reporter: how much has daly changed? just listen to how he talks about america's growing acceptance of gay marriage. he doesn't like it, but he ac