dr. james gilliam, and there was somebody who wrote a book, an amazing book. he is happy to report that it was a contextual success and that he measured violence in our program compared to violence not in our program, and after three years, there was an 80% reduction in environment korea arrests. they were still being rearrested, but not on violence -- in violent re-arrests. the in jail violence in that dorm virtually disappeared. we have that same dormitory before, when there was about 65. the first u.s. push and shove, and the last three years, there may be 35 said did not include great bodily injury, so it had a profound positive effect on the jil environment -- there may be 35% that did not include barley injury. a idea that violence is learned and that it can be unlearned. post release is critical. once they're in programs a hours a day, five days a week, we have to create the safety nets, but it does validates that there was a dramatic behavior change. >> in terms of thinking about the methods, if the counseling, is a one-on-one, so that people can get a