dr. james guillen, who has studied this program for five years, and he shows that a man in this program is 80% less likely to come back to jail for a violent act. >> and you can see the violin impacted has on the folks inside. as the sheriff said, it is so, it is a risk that we took. -- you can see the violent impact it has on the folks inside. we had such a golden opportunity, and we still do, both in the context of incarceration and here, and it can be done, folks. we are not satisfied yet. we have some great progress. but there is no ifs, ands, or buts. what a lot of work, we can start replacing punishment with responsive, effective, meaningful approaches in the context of education. i just want to share this one thing. i read this. i do not know if you have ever heard this. it was a restorative justice conversation. if a child cannot read, we teach them to read. if a child cannot do mathematics, we teach her how to do mathematics well. if a child does not know how to do well, we punish him. . stanislaw dems punishment for its own sake is a quick, easy thing to do. it is much more diffi