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dr. james mitchell, who is a psychologist. dr. mitchell, good to see you tonight. thank you for being with us. you are in the air force, then the cia, 9/11 happened, you were asked to help. how? >> they asked me to take a look at the manchester manual initially and figure out -- which is a manual that lists their interrogation strategies and figure out what sorts of resistance behaviors you might see on the part of detainees. after that later they asked me if i would look at the behavior that was engaging to see if he was using any of those resistant strategies. >> so you reviewed the manual al qaeda was using to teach its own fighters how to resist things like waterboarding and so on. you did that. and at some point you suggested means of overcoming that resistance. at some point they came to you and asked you personally to participate and actually conducting the interrogations? >> right. that's correct. what happened was he shut down at one point in spite of what you hear in the senate report. >> zuveda. >> and they asked me to come back to the campus. and it was
dr. james mitchell, who is a psychologist. dr. mitchell, good to see you tonight. thank you for being with us. you are in the air force, then the cia, 9/11 happened, you were asked to help. how? >> they asked me to take a look at the manchester manual initially and figure out -- which is a manual that lists their interrogation strategies and figure out what sorts of resistance behaviors you might see on the part of detainees. after that later they asked me if i would look at the behavior...
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dr. james mitchell. dr. mitchell, take us back to when the program first began and the mind-set of the cia and the interrogators who were actually charged with performing these enhanced interrogation techniques. what was the belief about the threat to the country? >> well, they had ongoing information that suggests that they were trying to smuggle nuclear weapons into the united states. so there was credible evidence to suggest that there was another wave of attacks coming. and we couldn't have it happen. they tried to decapitate us the last time. they tried to destroy our civilization, and people were clamoring to do anything and everything they could that was legal to take it right up to the line and save american lives because that's what our government is supposed to do, save american lives. >> how much pressure did you feel you were under? and how was it communicated to you? >> well, there were times, literally, when i was told that i'd lost my spine, that i'd become weak, that i must be starting to lik
dr. james mitchell. dr. mitchell, take us back to when the program first began and the mind-set of the cia and the interrogators who were actually charged with performing these enhanced interrogation techniques. what was the belief about the threat to the country? >> well, they had ongoing information that suggests that they were trying to smuggle nuclear weapons into the united states. so there was credible evidence to suggest that there was another wave of attacks coming. and we...
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dr. mitchell never got to tell his side of the story but khalid shaikh mohammed did. ed henry asked the white house press secretary why. >> james says that the way it has been set up by the administration khaled sheikh mohammed has an ability to answer the charges against him a terrorist can answer the charges against him but james mitchell didn't get a chance to respond to the senate intelligence report. he didn't get his side of the story. isn't that sort of unamerican? >> it does seem to me dr. mitchell has availed himself of a number of media outlets to make his case. he certainly is entitled as an american to do that. >> the senate committee doesn't reach out to him. >> i don't know whether or not the senate committee did talk to him. >> it aeks texas plumper wants how his truck ended up in the arms of extremists. he sold his ford f 250 to a dealership two years ago now it is being seen on the front lines in syria. you can see it there mark's company logo and phone number clear as day. he's now getting death threats because of it. auto nation says the truck went to auction from there switched owners many, many times. >>> $
dr. mitchell never got to tell his side of the story but khalid shaikh mohammed did. ed henry asked the white house press secretary why. >> james says that the way it has been set up by the administration khaled sheikh mohammed has an ability to answer the charges against him a terrorist can answer the charges against him but james mitchell didn't get a chance to respond to the senate intelligence report. he didn't get his side of the story. isn't that sort of unamerican? >> it does...
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any event, they came up with their ways to resist our interrogation methods, and they asked james mitchell, drs mitchell, the u.s. did, to take a look at this manual and figure out ways to sort of counteract our own resistance techniques that al-qaeda was prepared to use. and then they figured out, okay, now we know how to do it, and someone's actually going to have to go in and execute on this and get information from the terrorists. and the next thing he knew, he got the call asking him to do it, somebody who had never done enhanced interrogation techniques personally before, but he said, you know, it was tough, and he didn't enjoy it, but he said he felt like he had to do it. and what he said was when you look at those passengers of flight 93 and saw their heroism, this is his thinking, i can do what i need to do to protect my country as well. bill: and when he said, okay, yes, and here is how he answered that question: >> the exact incident was a person there had asked me if i would do these, and i was hemming and hawing a little bit. either him or another person said, well, after you've s
any event, they came up with their ways to resist our interrogation methods, and they asked james mitchell, drs mitchell, the u.s. did, to take a look at this manual and figure out ways to sort of counteract our own resistance techniques that al-qaeda was prepared to use. and then they figured out, okay, now we know how to do it, and someone's actually going to have to go in and execute on this and get information from the terrorists. and the next thing he knew, he got the call asking him to do...
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dr. james mitchell lives outside tampa. he can't confirm he's the psychologist at the heart of the report, but others have. we reached him by phone. did you read the report? >> i read portions of the report. >> reporter: what do you think of it? >> i think that it's not balanced. >> reporter: mitchell spent his career teaching servicemen how to interrogate. according to the report, he had never participated in a real- world interrogation before they devised the c.i.a.'s enhanced interrogation techniques after 9/11. senate intelligence chair dianne feinstein. >> they did things which i really consider immoral and illegal. >> reporter: according to the report, the pair proposed and employed 12 tactics, including use of diapers, waterboarding and mock burials. what do you think of some of the tactics listed in the report, like using insects in confined spaces? >> i think there should be an open and honest discussion in the public and people can make up their own minds. what i think about them is irrelevant. >> reporter: one of
dr. james mitchell lives outside tampa. he can't confirm he's the psychologist at the heart of the report, but others have. we reached him by phone. did you read the report? >> i read portions of the report. >> reporter: what do you think of it? >> i think that it's not balanced. >> reporter: mitchell spent his career teaching servicemen how to interrogate. according to the report, he had never participated in a real- world interrogation before they devised the c.i.a.'s...
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. >> i want to make clear that james mitchell, dr. james mitchell is unable to discuss any role he may have played in this program as a result of non-disclosure agreement. however, once the value video hits tomorrow people may walk away with a different impression. >> really? what do you think should be done in this information, the information in this report going forward? >> well, that's a question. i want to make it clear that as a reporter i'm here to document what this material says. i have no dog in this fight, so to speak. >> but it looks like no one will be held accountable for this, right, jason? >> yes, but we knew that. we knew that five years ago when the senate and c.i.a. or the c.i.a. agreed to allow the senate to undertake the study. one of the things that people will be walking away from after they digest this report is what do they do with this information as you just stated? there aren't any recommendatio recommendations. there are simply conclusions and findings and we have the details about the brutality. there have
. >> i want to make clear that james mitchell, dr. james mitchell is unable to discuss any role he may have played in this program as a result of non-disclosure agreement. however, once the value video hits tomorrow people may walk away with a different impression. >> really? what do you think should be done in this information, the information in this report going forward? >> well, that's a question. i want to make it clear that as a reporter i'm here to document what this...
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dr. james mitchell telling megyn kelly that the one-sided report has put his life in danger. >> it seems some sort of, you know, secret bible, some sort of star chamber. it's like being caught up in a bad spy novel, you know? they think we're guilty of some horrible thing, we can't be prosecuted because what we did was legal and multiple investigations have shown it. they didn't give us a chance to explain anything. they didn't even bother talking to the people at the cia. then they issue this report that essentially stirs up all of the crazies and all of the jihadists, and so now we're getting death threats and all kinds of things. >> and it would appear a majority of the american public would side with dr. mitchell. a new pew survey i shows more than half of the public, 51%, think that the cia's methods were justified compared with just 29% who say that they were not. melissa, i want to go to you first on this. a compelling interview last night. i mean, really fascinating, amazing work by megyn kelly. you heard dr. mitchell saying how he put his life on the line. >> yeah. >> the reason
dr. james mitchell telling megyn kelly that the one-sided report has put his life in danger. >> it seems some sort of, you know, secret bible, some sort of star chamber. it's like being caught up in a bad spy novel, you know? they think we're guilty of some horrible thing, we can't be prosecuted because what we did was legal and multiple investigations have shown it. they didn't give us a chance to explain anything. they didn't even bother talking to the people at the cia. then they issue...
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dr. james mitchell. >> i'm not going to confirm or deny that i was one of the persons they contacted. >> reporter: he was one half of the duo dubbed dunbar and swart. we reached him at home where he said the report drafted by the senate intelligence committee is one-sided. >> what i believe is if there's a beef with the cia and senator feinstein and this is just her effort on the way out to smear the men and women there. >> reporter: the report is unflattering. neither psychologist had any experience as an interrogator, nor did either have knowledge of al qaeda th. >> it's just stupid, stupid. >> why? >> it's just false, to have a nondisclosure agreement. i can't even defend myself. >> reporter: the report says it was mitchell who suggested 12 different things including a face slap. he sat down and said many critics of the interrogation program had a double standard. >> to me it seems completely unsensible, slapping people is bad but sending people into a picnic and killing granny and everyone is okay. >> he said he was never contacted by the office of the report and when i asked why the
dr. james mitchell. >> i'm not going to confirm or deny that i was one of the persons they contacted. >> reporter: he was one half of the duo dubbed dunbar and swart. we reached him at home where he said the report drafted by the senate intelligence committee is one-sided. >> what i believe is if there's a beef with the cia and senator feinstein and this is just her effort on the way out to smear the men and women there. >> reporter: the report is unflattering. neither...
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dr. james -- i forget his last name -- dr. james mitchellrats are trying to basically gain control, more control over the cia and really playing politics with this. what do you think about it? >> i don't know whether they want to gain control of the cia but they are playing politics. but they are playing with people's lives. we need more human intelligence. how easy will it be to recruit somebody to work for the cia after something like this. do you want to work for an agency that's been criticized which congress. they spent $40 million of our money on this report. they never talked to the people who hand the program. how serious are you about a fact finding mission if you shut out the people who have the facts of being interviewed and being a part of the report. of this not a fact finder this was a fault finder. they had the conclusion from the beginning and went out and searched to see if they could find something validated. i feel there's a real disconnect between the atmosphere after 9/11 when even democrats were saying whatever it takes
dr. james -- i forget his last name -- dr. james mitchellrats are trying to basically gain control, more control over the cia and really playing politics with this. what do you think about it? >> i don't know whether they want to gain control of the cia but they are playing politics. but they are playing with people's lives. we need more human intelligence. how easy will it be to recruit somebody to work for the cia after something like this. do you want to work for an agency that's been...
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dr. james mitchell and bruce jesson were the ones who came up with this. these are two former military psychologists. they were paid $80 million to come up with this plan. that plan and operation gave us the tactics for taking down and cross-examining some of the high-value intelligence agents we picked up like khalid sheikh mohammed and horse. >> you mentioned this report cost $40 million. wouldn't you rather see that money go elsewhere like to our veterans? we're talking about terrorists. these aren't innocent amer the same terrorists that killed 3,000 innocent americans on 9/11. >> everything was approved. the president approved the program, attorney general deemed it was legal, they kept going back for approval. karl rove says this was humane as he details what they did with the water boarding. >> there has to be a doctor present. the water has to be a certain temperature. they have to be elevated so they literally cannot drown, the water cannot get into their lungs. the doctor has to advise the subject that they will not die. you have to tell them, yo
dr. james mitchell and bruce jesson were the ones who came up with this. these are two former military psychologists. they were paid $80 million to come up with this plan. that plan and operation gave us the tactics for taking down and cross-examining some of the high-value intelligence agents we picked up like khalid sheikh mohammed and horse. >> you mentioned this report cost $40 million. wouldn't you rather see that money go elsewhere like to our veterans? we're talking about...