dr. james somerset is with us. i want to follow the thread how you got to calvary church here in san francisco, but you said under a debt growing up you were -- you said under it, you were a break that you had inside how to relate to people. >> i discovered the first thing is that people are people. i read a book about the training of kings of england. in it one of the things they said was, be sure that you know how to get him to the laboratory if you do. it was a basic -- just that basic area so one of the things i did was i went around the stanford campus and i figured out where all the laboratories were. by golly, i am there on this one location and faisal is there. he needs to know where the laboratory was. and i knew. >> the skill you develop with people i think is important because you were able to then pastor churches. there were people with significant secular positions broadcasting and printing. tell us something about your people skills. maybe some insight of someone watching. >> and on the other side i w