dr. jean maria arrigo in addition to dr. stephen soldz.y with us. ♪ [music break] amy: in 2009, the musician wrote a song "109" with lyrics taken from the torture memos of the bush administration. this is democracy now! democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are talking about this stunning exposÉ, this report that was commissioned, and independent report by the mac and psychological association significant globally because it is the largest association of psychologists in the world with more than 130,000 members. we're joined by dr. stephen soldz, coalition for an ethical psychology cofounder and dr. jean maria arrigo, a social psychologist and oral historian. she was asked to participate in the apa task force that convened in 2005 that ended up condoning psychologists involvement in enhanced interrogation, which would become known as torture. later she would blow the whistle. she established the apa pens debate collection at university of colorado boulder archives. she is joining us from irvine california. start o