this is dr. judy. dr. jude kuriansky. reading again from george's blog, may 25th, he writes, another lonely friday night. i am done. this is too much. fourth of july, i stayed in all day. no parties or picnics. then, august 3rd, monday, the day before sodini's exit plan as he calls it. there is only one shot. total effort needed. tomorrow is the big day. >> what was it like to be in that room when this crazy man walked in and took out a gun and turned out the lights and started shooting? >> what happened was, they were in in a pilates class and they turned the lights out an the shooting started. >> by the time i figured out what was going on, i could see flashes in the aerobic room in the dark. that's when i realized someone was using a firearm inside of there. >> it was pretty intense. when you get a chance to think about it, it happened so fast. once you realize when you were outside what happened, you saw the people running around. there was people that were shot and bleeding. it was a lot to take in. >> joining us now

dr. judy clinical psychologist who teaches at columbia university and she joins us from new york. i want to make sure, are we hearing from her microphone? >> well, the major -- >> can we hear? we're hearing her. >> the major issue is this is a very psychotic man. it makes sense to me, people are thinking how could this possibly happen. i have seen people like this in the hospital. i think what was going on is the man was trying to set up a cult. it has every one of the symptoms of it. >> really? >> where you first of all there's a lot of the drugs. his father said he was on lsd so drug-induced psychotic behavior. he thinks he's the messiah, he's the messenger from god. the angels are talking to him. he wanted to get everybody to follow -- to get followers. he ended up going on campus. he thought he was ready to spread the word. >> but so far it appears he only had a couple followers. he didn't have a very good -- do a very good job at -- >> he was getting ready. >> he was getting ready to do i

judy woodruff goes hind the closed dr. >> woodff: it's six members of the senate fince committee who'veeen conducting the meetings, the only placehere democrats and repubcans are still negiating with each other overealth care. since ithe past two weeks, we've heard bh the president and the speaker of the hous nancy pelosi, makehe case for reform from e democrats' point ofiew. tonight, we t the views of the senior republicansitting in thossessions: charles grassley of iowa. he joins us from catol hill. senator grassley, thank u for talking wi us. >> i'm gladto be with you, judy. >> woodruff: since it'seen announc you're group is not going to reach an agreement beforehe senate goes into augustrecess, just how far apart areou? how wide is the gap >> well, it's pretty hard to antify but i thi we'reall cmitted t making sure that it gets done right. you got understand that artificial timelines st don't work whenyou're dealing with life a health-- life-and-dea issues a that's wo health ca is abouand when you're dealing withone-sixth of the economy is needs to b done carelly and cautiously and

judy having a little fun at dr. murray's expense. we have our experts standing by, jim moret and anne bremner join us as we wrap up that portion of it. jim, do you think something's coming down that we're hearing from him now? >> i think he certainly thinks something's coming down. i think the autopsy report is in. we know that authorities are trying to get more details, maybe lineup some whites, maybe grant immunity to certain people. depends on where they are in their investigation, how many drugs are involved. this doctor's best defense might be that he didn't know how many drugs michael jackson was taking. but we do know that he had some serious money problems. that's one of the reasons he accepted the $150,000 a month job from michael jackson. >> yeah. another call, julia is with us in ohio. >> caller: how are you? >> good. your thoughts here? >> caller: yeah, i just wonder, you know, what ethical doctor would, you know, agree to do what he did, he admitted to do if he's so sweet and kind instead of taking the man and getting hi

judy woodruff has our conversation. >> woodruff: and for that we turn to dr. toby cosgrove, the c.e.o. of the cleveland clinic.he president visited the center last month as part of his health reform efforts. dr. cosgrove, thank you very much for talking with us. >> it's a pleasure to be here, thank you. >> woodruff: we just heard at the end of that piece by betty ann bowser, in essen an agreement that if you have more collaboration at these clinics including yours, overall quality would improve, costs would go down. you agree with that? >> i absolutely agree with that, and what we really have got to put into the health care discussion is how we drive quality and how we bring the total bill for health care down, and one of the very important ways to do that is to integrate the health care system and make it more efficient, and that means integrating not only the doctor with the hospital, which you saw a great example of here, but also integrating hospitals, so not all hospitals are expected to be all things to all people, but rather, to serve the community in a way that the community needs to be served and then

judy garland. >> larry: londell mcmillan and diane goodman. so we'll clear that up. dr.kids today. >> absolutely not. >> larry: if he wanted to see them, katherine could say yes or no. the judge extended the appointments of john branca and john mcclane, the executors named in jackson's will for the next 60 days. how does katherine feel about that? >> i think that's okay right now. somebody has to be in charge and that's what the judge said. we need someone in charge making decisions. it gives us time to have further conversations and to discuss. >> larry: since it was in the will, what's the discussion? it was michael's wish. >> the extension is not actually a permanent appointment. their intention was to obtain a permanent appointment. michael's wishes in 2002 don't reflect what his wishes are in 2009. >> larry: how do you know? >> the law is full of rules, presumptions and burdens. because there was a will and there has not been a subsequent one presented to the court, the presumption is that the will is valid and the will was his wishes as it was intended. our burden