dr. julianne malveaux. >> caller: hi to both of you. i have an idea for a book for you, dr. malveaux. what if england had won the revolutionary war? [laughter] secondly, i think that i want to say something to you. i have always been proud of you, so i don't know what that guy was talking about, but i'm proud of you. and more importantly, you -- anytime i've ever seen you, i've never been ashamed. you've never made me feel ashamed as a black man. my question is, before i turn over to you, i listened, i watched the john mclaughlin show on the public television, and this same formula keeps repeating itself over and over. four or five white conservative males and one feeble female middle of the road trying to -- and she's constantly talked over. "meet the press," it's always the same guy, it's always the same -- some old white guy always -- why -- we'll never get anywhere as long as this formula never changes. ciewpg i'm right or wrong? >> i think you're absolutely right. it's overwhelmingly male and white. i think there's been some diversity over the last few years. saw perry has a show

dr. julianne malveaux. you guys are great. you must give her deference and respect for her title.i really insist on that. one other thing, elizabeth warren was making a comment in the speech about the fact that the roads and police protection and all these other services provided by the government and municipalities help people who have the businesses. he was referring to other services which help you to the run your business. he did not mean you don't build alone. people stop listening to the rhetoric of the republican party . had star works. i am proof of it. you can make it in this country, and you have to believe in yourself and you have to read. read, read, read. turn off the television and read thank you so much for your services, dr. julianne malveaux. >> guest: thank you, and congratulations on being the first one in your family to finish college. that is always an accomplishment you hit on a number of things. the bottom line is, the government is not