first of all, i think i appreciate what dr. kahl mentioned earlier about the state of affairs of the nuclear dossier. i think that there is one element we do not mention or we don't recall how many negotiations between the east -- between iran and the west have actually produced results. we also seem not to remember, i have this really bad habit of keeping notes, we have cried wolf in general, and i say general because i have to go home with two legs and not one, we have been crying wolf about the nuclear weapon in iran to be specific since 1991 16 times. 16 times. we've been told that in two years, sometimes 18 months, iran will have a nuclear -- now, be i'd said something like this to my children 16 times in 20 years, they would told me, daddy, can you please think before talking? so in a way this dimension together with the dimension of what actually has been achieved doesn't seem to feature. now, i -- the point of, again, we go back to the question did you ask about how to negotiate with iran, allow me to repeat we do not negoti

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any questions to our panelists as well as dr. kahl on the phone. [indiscernible] know -- do we know how they operate in washington. what is the obligation, the opportunity, the obstacle from that point of view and how can that be integrated into this discussion? twoo answer the question in seconds. repeat the question. a correlation the room, israel - - a gorilla in the room. how can it be handled? >> my colleagues will be surprised with what i am telling you. that the gorilla is not in tel aviv. in fact, i am referring to the -- i mentioned the entire region from the river to the hindu kush. if you thought that the girl is there -- the gorilla is there, it was, i am not sure it is. change. everything changes all the time. >> mohsen? >> the islamic republic, at least of the top leadership, would be making a huge strategic they canf they think normalize relationships with the u.s. by bypassing israel. it is not going to happen. this is the reality of the world we live in. unfortunately, so far, i have seen no evidence that they are willing to accept

listening to this conversation, i have sat down with a team of really experts, is, as experts as dr. kahl in a group that he very well knows, in which tom pickering was involved, and there are clearly some ideas that were ahl make somed k that are plenty of sense. i would like to say the following -- down in ait negotiation and you have in front of you the mountain and you know how difficult it is to tain, notmoun impossible, but with a mountain in front of you, sometimes -- i do not say this is a rule that works all the time -- sometimes when you start the engine of a submarine, the engine of a submarine is an incredible machine, but it starts with a teeny little flame which is an igniter. and i found at times the igniter, a teeny little bit, nothing dramatic, but the igniter is very useful because not only starts the greater engine, but it also sends signals that things are possible . the question is of discussing and focusing on the nuclear dimension is indispensable. some oftion is to avoid the repercussions you may have exactr in tehran to concessions from the other side, if i were t

first of all, i think i appreciate what dr. kahl mentioned earlier about the state of affairs of the nuclear dossier. i think that there is one element, like we do not mention or do not recall how many negotiations between iran and the west have actually produced results. we also seem not to remember -- i have this bad habit of keeping notes -- we have cried wolf in general because i have to go home with two legs and not one -- we have been crying wolf about the nuclear weapon in iran , to be specific, since 1991, 16 times. 16 times. we have been told that in two years, sometime 18 months, iran will have a nuclear -- if i said something like this to in 20ldren 16 times years, they would have told me, daddy, can you please [indiscernible] before talking? anyway, this dimension, to together with the dimension of what has been achieved, does not seem to feature. of -- we go to the question you asked about how to negotiate with iran. allow me to repeat, we do not negotiate with iran. we are negotiating with the possibility of the islami