dr. kathleen and mike know about. they are concerned about the health and welfare.sister just had a new girl. my niece was born a couple of weeks ago. and she worries if that babies coughs, she wants to know what is going on. we have to insure that our kids are in the best place possible to be healthy and productive citizens and vaccinations help it work. and now we need someone else who is also has. >> and turn it around. >> do we need to take away our first amendment rights. we are all for the vaccinations. but in illinois it is harder to use a conscious exemption. they have diabetic done away with the permanent. >> i agree to you with a certain extent. lights in the state. if we use the first amendment i can't yell fire in a crowded building and i can't use fighting words. >> and absolutely. it is a safe community for so many years until we had a group think problem. it is not religion or free exercise it is group think and science. >> doctor you said that someone who deals with infectious diseases. we need a national strategy to keep our country sieve. >> i know

secretaries of health and human services, who oversaw the programs: kathleen sebelius who served under president obama until last year. and drs sullivan who served under president george h. w. bush. welcome, secretary sullivan secretary sebelius and secretary sebelius let me start with you. what difference have medicare and medicaid made in this country? >> well, i think those made an incredible difference in the lives of about 120 million americans and couldn'ting. so seniors were the poorest group of americans when medicare was passed 50 years ago. they were going bankrupt because of medical bills they couldn't afford the care they needed. and to have that guarantee once you turn 65 or so disabled that you qualify early that you have a set of benefits. and you don't have to be qualified by health you qualified by age has made a huge difference in this country. >> woodruff: and secretary sullivan, what about medicaid? >> medicaid has also contributed greatly to improving the health and access to health care for our citizens. for example 50% of the births in the country are paid for by medicaid. most of the care for hiv/aids