dr. kelli ward, she is returning as republican for the u.s. senate in arizona. dr.ard, do to have you with us. first of all, this issue of immigration is the problem, why not build a wall and secure the border? >> we do have to build the wall and secure the border. as a mom, as a family if i significant. i mean, no one wants to see children separated from their parents. but the moral crisis that we are facing is we have a wide-open border that's a magnet for bad people bring bad things into our country. drugs, guns, people, and those bad people figured out they can sell a gun once. they can sell a drug once. but they can sell a woman or child again and again. and our last immigration -- our lapse immigration laws and open borders enabled these people to use children as chips in this process. it helps to bring kid to the border because they might be able to evade scrutiny. lou: a huge majority of those families being separated from their children. there is no documentary evidence they are related in many cases. and we have no way to determine whether they are related

dr. kelli ward. she is running for the seat of retiring senator jeff flake. dr. u for your time this morning. >> good morning. it's great to be here with you. >> sandra: you had a chance to hear what the president had to say standing out on the lawn this morning outside the white house. what are your thoughts? what does the immigration showdown look like as we head into this? >> i think we have to learn from mistake of past. when ronald reagan was president, he was convinced to grant amnesty to millions. and then he trusted congress to secure the border later. i have been told it was one of his biggest regrets as president. we have to do this in the right order. first and foremost we have to secure the border. we have to stop illegal immigration and that means we have to build the wall. >> sandra: this is what the president is pushing for and i want to first listen to jeff sessions. the president's attorney general talking about the previous administration speaking of what we can learn. listen. >> the previous administration wouldn't prosecute aliens who entered t