dr. kevorkian. >> i have been told about your charm and wit, and let me tell you, the reports on your charmt are understated. >> thank you, thank you very much. >> welcome back to "hardball." the last time a president tried to reform health care, the first lady led the charge, and clinton health care reform died in congress. what lessons can president obama take from the clintons efforts? jacob hacker is a yale professor and the author of a book about the clinton health care plan called "the road to nowhere." and haynes johnson wrote about the 2008 presidential race in the new book "the battle for america 2008," and he wrote a behind-the-scenes account of the clinton health care reform effort in the book "the system." jacob hacker, if there's a page in your book that you would want everyone in the white house to read this weekend, if there's a chapter, what would you highlight for them? what should they be studying? >> well, i would probably point to a chapter in my book entitled "the plan" in which i talk about some of the major mistakes that the clinton reformers made, but i think that th

dr. kevorkian? it makes a difference on who is prescribing the drug. just ask michael jackson. this isn't about a slight change of pink color. this is about an engine completely disappearing, america's engine. it is being completely removed right before our eyes. america, we once had this crazy concept of elected officials doing things for the people, but now it seems our elected officials busy doing things to the people for the people who are really the powerful ones, the unions, seiu, community organizations like acorn. >> i have spent my entire adult life working with seiu. i'm not a newcomer to this! i didn't just discover seiu! on the campaign trail, your agenda has been my agenda in the united states senate. before debating healthcare, i taught seiu members. before immigration debates took place in washington, i talked to seiu members. before i even get inaugurated, during the transition, we're going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. we're going to have meetings all across the country with community organizations so that you have input into the agen

dr. kevorkian. it does make a difference onrec who is prescribing the drugs.e just ask michael jackson. i this is about an engine completely disappearing, america's engine. it is being completely removedf right before our eyes. crmerica, we once had this crazy concept of elected officials doing things for the people bun now seems our elected officials are busy doing things to the people for the puppets or as fr puppets for the people who are really the powerful ones, the global corporations, the unions like sciu, community organizations like acorn. a >> i spent my entire adult life working with sciu, i'm not a a newcomer to this. i didn't just suddenly discover sciu. on the campaign trail your agenda has been my agenda inrar the united states senate before debating healthcare i asked an sciu member, before immigration debates were placed in washing washington i talked with althea ma deena, an sciu member. >> before i even get inaugural fore i rated during the transition we're going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. we are going to have a meetingo all across the co

dr. kevorkian, and you come home with a brand new car. >> and how often did people say -- have you heard people say insurance companies got to bail out, the banks got a bail out, where is my bailout? this was a little bit of a sense that anybody in america could walk in with an old car and get a little bit of a bilout themselves. i think it did have an effect. you see it in barack obama approval rating. gallup shows him up to 58% approval rating. he was down as low as 52%. >> aren't we fickle? >> very. >> you know, chuck, you and i are friends. we know -- and so is susan, but we know i'm a churchill buff. one of the tricks of churchill in winning the war against the nazi, to make a real useful mention of nazis this week for once in this crazy world, that he understood you never give too much good expectation ahead of time. he used to say as the war went on he used to say it's not the beginning of the end but maybe it's the end of the beginning. anything to reduce expectations so people would keep their up. >> the president's spokesman said we still expect 10% unemployment. explain. >> we

dr. we cork kevorkian and you come home with a new car. >> this was a little bit of a sense that anybody in america could come in with an old car and get a bailout themselves. i think it did have an effect. barack obama's approval rating shows him at 58%. he was down as low as 52%. >> are we fickle? let me ask you about this, chuck, you and i are friend. you know i'm a churchhill buff. one of the words of churchhill winning the war against the nazis, he understood that you never get too much expectations ahead of time. he used to say, it is not the beginning of the end but maybe the end of the beginning. anything to reduce expectations so that people would keep their hopes up. i noticed robert gibbs, who seems like a pro at the white house, he said today we still expect 10% unemployment. explain. >> well, here's why. one of the reasons why unemployment went down the labor force in general contracted, so they still don't see how they are going to be creating -- how new jobs are going to get created over the next three, four, five months. that's why they fear that, you know, when you watch