dr. henry kissinger. s analysis of north korea with ideas that he thinks that i'm states might consider. statesks the united might consider. back in a moment. ♪ ♪ charlie: dr. henry kissinger is here. he served under president nixon and ford. i am pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. you're looking good and i assume feeling well. that is a heavy title there, "how to resolve the north korean crisis" because every government i remember is trying to resolve that. how to you do it? >> it is a way to approach it. visit point of the article is the major steps of a report -- our foreign policy has been to bring it out north korea with consequences and asked china to help us. this threat is not fully effective because the north koreans, they has spent decades of oppressing their people, and depriving them to build these weapons. yieldey are not going to to threats very easily. charlie: threats of sanctions and the like? dr. kissinger: it is going to take tremendous, physical threats. hand, with china h

dr. kissinger: yes.of the six pallbearers at his father's funeral have disappeared. charlie: five of the six pallbearers? doster kissinger: -- dr. kissinger: five of them. and one of them, the uncle that helped put them in office, was publicly disgraced and was executed. so it is another regime where you don't want to have nuclear weapons. the key point is many people would say, what we just accept it. because we have lived through the chinese. charlie: yes, they do. and the pakistanis and others. dr. kissinger: yes. but here is a country that has proliferated its nuclear weapons already. they have made some of the nuclear materials available to syria several years ago, and they gave some of their engines to iran. this is a proliferating regime. charlie: as i understand, did south korea, japan, china -- should they be brought together in this? should this become proficient that takes place with anyone who has an interest in the region? dr. kissinger: yes. i believe an initial conversation with china is p

dr. kissinger said in the wall street journal this weekend, the approach to north korea has been characterized by provocation and procrastination. we can't procrastinate anymore. the effort is to combine what we are doing diplomatically, economically and with key allies and partners and others including china to resolve this short of any military conflict. >> there's been confusion. has the president drawn a red line? is it a threat from kim jong-un? is it a missile test to guam? can you explain how his words should be interpreted? he said even a threat was going to get a response. what's the red line? >> the president doesn't draw red lines. he asks us to make sure we have viable options for him. options that combine diplomatic, economic and military capabilities. that's what we have done. what's critical here is the president through his engagement with world leaders, with our allies, also with china, has recognize three fundamental things. the first is, this isn't just a u.s. problem. this is a world problem. china has influence to cope with this. the third -- this is what's most important

dr. kissinger made clear in a great oed this weekend, this has been a problem that we have procrastinated on for a long period of time. now it's coming to a head. where the threat from north korea not only to the united states but to the world is very, tes. car.edta it but with our allies and all responsible nations. this is what you have seen the president do is bring together, all nations. all nations to bear on this problem. and, i think notably, you had the u.n. security council resolution, 15-0 this past week. great work by our secretary of state, rex tillerson and our ambassador to the u.n., nikki haley. our interests are aligned with all responsible nations. and it's time for all nations including china, russia. as well as our close allies, japan and south korea to work together toward a common goal. of denuclearizing the korean peninsula. >> what do you say to the cricss rhetoric was just too hot this week? he went too far? >> well, the president made clear, he made clear hat the united states will not taterol threatened by this rogue regime. there's a much greater danger if there

dr. kissinger made clear in a great op-ed this weekend, this has been a problem that we have progressed theaked on for a long. progressed for a long. g span of time. demands a concerted effort with our allies and all responsible nations. now, anjoining us author of a book about north korea taking on the world. gordon, thank you for joining us. we get the opening in this today. a little bit scaling back with talk of ip negotiations. china has said this morning that it will start blocking exports from north korea and it has a concrete day. handthis give an upper when talking trade with the u.s.? >> i don't think so. everyone is concerned with long-term enforcement of u.s. resolutions. we saw in the beginning of this year, february 18, the chinese announced they would not by coal from north korea for the rest of the year to him lament sanctions -- to implement sanctions. but blocking call, in april, may, june, now it appears they are buying coal from third countries. north korean coal. there is a concern. they have always enforced sanctions immediately after neck and and then when we -- after

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dr. kissinger's white house years. in 1973, richard nixon had a similar problem, and they hesitated to take any action. also fear. had to fight on two battle fronts with vietnam and korea. but the fear was, we've got a lot of people there, innocent people who would die. >> from your perspective and you're a former defense secretary, there really isn't a pre-emptive strike contingency that's realist? tlrchlts is a con ting an. >> there is a contingency and it's real but what the american people would find unacceptable. >> the u.s. cannot tolerate a nuclear-capable north korea? >> we have a way to solve that, going to the chinese, russians and the others saying, let's shut down their economy. really prevent them from doing what they're doing, because they've been actually able to improve their economy with the help of the chinese, russians and other people including some of our allies. we have to go to allies saying no more business with them. they built guns, have missiles. can't have butter anymore we can't continue to

dr. kissinger has been an advisor from time to time to president trump and henry kissinger wrote in his white house years said a bluff taken serio seriously. what we have now is something has been taken as a bluff. when it may in fact be serious. we now have to kind of walk it back and say if you take action, which threatens us or our allies, then you will have a response which will be quiet devastating to your regime. we will start moving in the direction of a regime change. saying we tried to work with you. we're going to look at regime change the at some point in time in the not too distant future if you continue along this way. >> you talked about squeezing north korea. you mentioned earlier today squeezing them like a python. what were you talking about? is it just the continuation of sanctions? how do you mean by "squeeze"? >> we've been imposing sanctions on an incremental basis. they've been eroded. we know there is a black market and gray market. we know china is dealing the north koreans and the russians. we have allowed the north koreans to do this. they've been developing the guns

dr. kissinger wrote yesterday, for decades our policy has been condemnation and procrastination. we have tried to hope this problem away. it is not going away. and so what we have to do is increase our military capability. they are in the region, to make it clear to north korea and to china that we're going to stand up and defend ourselves and our allies. >> i want ask you about china in a moment. let me ask you about this idea that in fact their missile can reach the u.s. main land. do we know that for a fact that they have the capacity to reach the u.s. mainland right now or is that speculation? >> well, there were -- i think the whole government has been surprised at the progress north korea's missile program has made. on july 4, and then about a week ago, there were two missile launches, which could reach part of the continental united states. now, they were aimed straight up and straight down, but if you alter that trajectory and point them more in a sideways direction, they can reach us. we've known they have had nuclear weapons for some time, and so the acceleration of the

dr. kissinger said in the editorial in "the wall street journal" this weekend, the approach to north koreabeen characterized by provocation and procrastination. we can't procrastinate anymore. the effort is to combine what we are doing diplomatically, economically and with key allies and partners and others including china to resolve this short of any military conflict. >> there's been confusion. has the president drawn a red line? is it a threat from kim jong-un? is it a missile test to guam? can you explain how his words should be interpreted? particularly because he seemed to say the last one even a threat was going to get a response. what's the red line here? >> the president doesn't draw red lines. what he does is he asks us to make sure we have viable options for him, options that combine diplomatic, economic, and military capabilities. that's what we have done. what's critical here is the president through his engagement with world leaders, with our allies, also with china, has with south korea, but also now with china have recognized really three fundamental things. the first is, t

dr. kissinger wrote yesterday, for decades our policy has been condemnation and procrastination.is problem away. it is not going away. and so what we have to do is increase our military capability. they are in the region, to make it clear to north korea and to china that we're going to stand up and defend ourselves and our allies. >> i want ask you about china in a moment. let me ask you about this idea that in fact their missile can reach the u.s. main land. do we know that for a fact that they have the capacity to reach the u.s. mainland right now or is that speculation? >> well, there were -- i think the whole government has been surprised at the progress north korea's missile program has made. on july 4, and then about a week ago, there were two missile launches, which could reach part of the continental united states. now, they were aimed straight up and straight down, but if you alter that trajectory and point them more in a sideways direction, they can reach us. we've known they have had nuclear weapons for some time, and so the acceleration of their testing and as well as

dr. henry kissinger in january , of 1972 just one month before the historic trip to china that february. nixon: [inaudible] >> before we start the program, i wanted to introduce a special guest in the audience today, president nixon's younger brother ed nixon. , [applause] with that, dr. stoner, the stage is yours. very much.u thank you mr. nixon for having us here. we had a wonderful tour of the library and we all enjoyed it very much. i'm going to start our discussion by picking up on the tape that jonathan played for us which was nixon's idea of former , -- formulating friendly relations to counterbalance soviet power. he turned out to be very prescient in terms of not worrying about china necessarily in 1972 but worrying about china farther down the road. we find ourselves now in 2017 in an interesting and new situation where china and russia are important to the u.s. and global affairs. since mr. nixon was president of the u.s. and opened relations with china, rather infamously, we have had the collapse of communism in eastern europe, uprisings in tianemen square and the collapse of

dr. henry kissinger, in january , 1972, just one month before the historic trip to china that february. [inaudible]xon: xon: [inaudible] >> it wanted to introduce a special guest in our audience today, president nixon's younger brother, ed nixon. [applause] , the stage isat yours. , thankk you very much you for having us here. we had a wonderful tour this afternoon at the library and we all enjoyed it very much. i'm going to start our on theion by picking up tape that jonathan played for us nixon's idea of former leading relations to counterbalance soviet power. he turned out to be very prescient in terms of not worrying about china necessarily in 1972 but worrying about china farther down the road. we find ourselves now in 2017 witnessing a new interest -- situation where china and russia are important to the u.s. and global affairs. was president of the u.s. and opened relations with china, rather infamously, we have had the collapse of communism in eastern europe, nemen square and the collapse of the soviet russiaa period of a weak in the 1990's under born -- boris yeltsin as it reco

dr. brazinsky and would like to know who would that present, day kissinger be. >> one more question maybefrom students. okay. that lady over there was raising her hands very fast. >> hello, i'm emily and a freshman at george washington university. this is in address to brazinsky, tailing what you said. through your idea of diplomacy as the first option, what is the u.s.' first step in doing that to build that relationship of trust and are the sanctions that have been imposed kind of hurting that relationship and making it more difficult to establish that credibility with the dprk? >> those are both very good questions. first, dr. fincher, who is the present day kissinger, i honestly can't say i know but i can say one thing, which is that when richard nixon visited china, people thought that he was about the least likely person who woulder go to china because he had such a long history of being a hardine anticommunist throughout in the 1950s, fierce critic of communism and nobody thought the was a likely foreign do this. but history surprises us. so, i can only hope that there is a similar

dr. holm-fincher, who is the next kissinger. i don't know. i can say when richard nixon visited china people thought he was about the least likely person who would ever go to china because he had such a long history of being a hardline anti-communist throughout the 50's. and a fierce critic of communism. nobody thought he was a likely person to do this, but, you know, history surprises us so i can only hope that there is a similar surprise in the next few years. but we also, one of the problems, i think currently, we still -- the state department posts that deal with east asia and other positions haven't been completely filled. so i think you have to hope that you have someone who has the knowledge and subtlety to deal with north korea, but i think even if you don't have someone with that kind of knowledge and nuance, you can still have things a lot better than they are and so that's what i'm saying as well. i mean, the-- with china, it was an intimate and tricky process and i think, you know, i think you can have you know, some process of ne