dr. arnold kline on trial just like dr. conrad murray is? >> there you go. confusion is exactly what the defense team is trying to create here. this is a side show. what's going on here -- >> in other words, i fell for it, huh? >> i don't think the judge is going to, though, because i don't think pfeiffer's ever even going to get close to that witness stand and here's why. you need expert testimony connecting this medical evidence. this is off the wall. the fact that dr. kline has been his dermatologist and had provided medication and controlled substances over the years is interesting. but they have to connect it. that's something i don't think the defense can do. there's no expert testimony in that. i don't think pfeiffer's even going to take the stand. i don't think you're going to see the guy. >> but what about this other case apparently pfeiffer has filed his own legal matter against dr. kline. that's going to kind of muddy the waters here, wouldn't it, richard? >> well, it is -- plus, dr. kline is suing pfeiffer for embezzling millions of dollars. you