dr. kohler let me ask do you feel you have sufficient personnel now and experienced personnel and if so, how do you keep them with you? >> the work force challenge is spread across the industry. they are not gist compliant. we experience them at the universities, the operators, everyone is struggling to hire and recruit talented personnel. just to give you an example, they both compete for entry-level mining engineers. mengin and engineer student coming out of kentucky for example starts in 65 to $70,000 a year. we can offer that same graduating student $33,000 a year. it's easy to see the difficulty that we have competing. it's a big problem. >> i think if we wanted you to recruit and retain competent people we have to have compensation schedules which don't necessarily match those available outside of the government but they have to close the gap. >> not fully but if we're serious about recruiting and retaining quality people in these key positions, something has to be examined and action taken. >> i recognize the ranking member on the work force protection is ms. woolsey. >> hinchey f