alan krueger said in a paper he co-authored in 2002, it proves that unemployment benefits actually exacerbates jobless benefits. here to join us, former new mexico governor gary johnson is here, dr of the no labels women league and david webb is here, founder of the tea party 365 and radio talk show host. first off, governor, your feeling about a guy that you nominated going against the plan you're about to release. >> you know, as governor of new mexico, i actually vetoed legislation that was going to extend unemployment benefits believing, just believing that a person will deal with their problems when they have to as opposed to prolonging that. by extending unemployment benefits, it's my feeling that you were going to put off decision making that the sooner you made those decisions, the better and that was where you were going to take your life. it turns out studies will show the same thing. from a common sense standpoint, you know, when you're receiving unemployment benefits, the longer you receive those unemployment benefits, the longer you go without making those hard choices. >> as a psychologist, that's your forte. is it true if people have a cushion? there's no urgency?