dr. levitt said, they are more of a tool than a policy. but the point that i was getting at is, with the sanctions, you look back and what have they accomplish accomplished. and iran, throughout this whole period, has not only retained but expanded their terrorist activities as the number one world sponsor of terrorism. then the question is, right in the middle of that, they decided to go nuclear in open defiance against a united world against this, not only in the region but worldwide and how they are fighting that in your face and continuing that, yes, there has been the current sanctions that are disrupting that. but at some point in time there has to be, are these going to be effective enough in order to have iran change the behavior. so, that is constantly being looked at. it is not going to war with them. the other thing with iran, i refer people to read the book by the iranian -- called a time to betray, it was a c.i.a. agent inside the irgc during this whole period. and it gives insights of what the mindset and how brutal they are

dr. levitt, i want to ask you a question. thank you, colonel. i just want to follow-up on this point. in your following on the colonel, clarify that as we accelerate in the frustration with iran, obviously as it might be with any country, the military in the nest it's always are engaged in planning and preparation doesn't mean they are engaged in moving on a country. i think that is the interpretation. but i notice in your testimony you indicated the saudis had at one point asked that the head of the snake should be cut off. my question to you on this whole issue of terrorism as it circulates around this horrific and horrendous potential assassination that grabbed the united states and the saudis in the mix, we have a responsibility if we act in any way one, it should be collaborative, one, should be based on facts, and we should be very consistent with protecting the homeland. so do you have a response on how you generate those three points that is something short of saying we are going to allegedly attack this sovereign nation, that potentially has nuclear capacity? >> thank you for

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then we have matt levitt, the founder of the study of counterintelligence at the washington institute for a mideast policy. dr. lawrence korb, a senior fellow at the american institute for progress. previously, he was the director of national security studies at the council on foreign relations. he also served as assistant secretary of defense for manpower. we're very honored here today to have colonel timothy garrity, who entered the marine corps in 1959, following graduation from st. louis university. he commanded a reconnaissance company in vietnam, and while a lieutenant colonel, served on a special assignment with a special operations group. he commanded the 24th marine amphibious unit in beirut in 1983 as part of the multinational peacekeeping force. upon his retirement from the marine corps, he returned to the cia to serve in the counter- terrorism center. colonel gary b., let me personally thank you for your service and your brave actions on that day in beirut. we will never forget the marines that died that day. with that, i'd like to thank general king for his testimony. >> thank you. i appreciate y