let me go to you first, dr. lomax. you were in the meeting with the president when he signed the proclamation. there have been some that have raised issues with it. some of the students. i don't know how widespread it is. but it really wasn't a meeting. it was more of a photo op and the reading of a proclamation, isn't that right? >> yeah that was really the executive order being signed. and all of the meetings, reverend sharpton, really had occurred prior to that. the united negro fund, thurgood marshall fund, we have been meeting with white house staff, people from the domestic policy team, really giving them our advice and counsel on what needed to go into the executive order. you know, every president since jimmy carter has issued an executive order creating a white house initiative, but i would characterize the white house initiative in the past as being a tuoothless tiger. it had a roar, but it didn't have a bite. >> does this one have a bite? what makes this -- >> well, so, so, this one, we said we've got to put