dr. lorberbaum are speaking of, is a life where your primary motivational function is religious - that's what motivates you. and we do live in a rather confused time in our particular culture, because you don't really know if the motivations are religious or if they're secular, and probably more than likely, they're secular. karen, i saw you there first. >> and the buddhist would say that life has always been suffering - for as long as there's been humans it's been an equal amount of suffering, and it's the nature of being here as a human. >> and in the buddhist text - we haven't spoken much about that - but there's lots of dialogue and questioning and great sages, and religions generate those sorts of things. one minute, let me hit you, warren, and then we'll pick it up in the next class. >> as you were talking about the talmud, there is a - and a lot of the talmud is question and answer, question and answer, and maybe that's all it is. but one of the questions was, "why did god create the world?" and the answer given, "because he likes a good story." >> that's a perfect way to end this