dr. luntz took those interviews and showed them to regular folks. dr. hor of a brand new book, what americans really want, really. he joins us now. i like the title. los angeles, right? >> swing voters. bill: about 60 of them? >> 16 obama voters, 15 mccain voters. split down the middle. bill: right down the middle. and the first sound bite was bertha lewis. she is the ceo. she was all over the place but won't come back on fox news. roll the tape. bill: it seems to me that acorn is a quasisocialist organization, that you want to give -- it's almost a robinhood organization. you have to get the money from somewhere. and the only place you can get it from is from people who make it. so, i think you are a quasi-socialist organization. am i wrong? >> well, i think you are wrong, mr. o'reilly. but we have 400,000 plus members all across the country. working people. low and moderate income people. they pay taxes. they work hard. they want to see a good democratic society. bill: all right. so it was very, very partisan about her. >> you called them a socialist a

dr. frank luntz, the author of this book. where was this? and how many people took part, frank?southern california, 29 people evenly devoted between -- divided between john mccain and barack obama, and, boy, did they react differently. bill: ok, let's play this. why would you give a taxpayer money to any dubious organization? we are talking to you, senator roland burris. >> i am just wondering. acorn is on tape, offering to help set up prostitution, and i am wondering if the taxpayers of illinois really want to support an organization like that? >> i thought you had a question, not a statement. >> my question is why did you vote -- >> i supported acorn. bill: all right, the line goes down when roland burris starts talking. is that because they do not like him? >> they thought it was the funniest thing they of ever seen. here is a senator running away from the camera. they agree with you, bill, as you can see with the lines. they agree with you about where the taxpayer dollars are going, because one of the greatest things they want out of washington is accountability, but he keep