dr. macpherson studied at hopkins. you can do hopkins in the late 50's and shortly after one word was called -- would word -- woodward was called to congress. our historians being used that way for public policy -- or historians use that way for public policy -- are historians being used that way for public policy? dr. mcpherson: as you know, he wrote a book called "the strange history of jim crow" about segregation. in 1955 and 1956 there was the montgomery bus boycott which led to the rise of martin luther king. in 19 57 the desegregation crisis at little rock high school. i came to hopkins in september of 1958, the beginning of the second year of the desegregation of little rock high school. and would word, -- woodward noted for his expertise, was called to washington to testify about problems that would be associated with the second year of racial desegregation at little rock central high school. i was actually supposed to have an appointment with him as a beginning student on the day that he was called to washingt