dr. marshall. vice president marshall: just so you know, commissioner kingsley, they canceled meetings on us before. just want you to know that. there was an entertainment commission meeting also and something set up with the board of supervisors and so this has happened before. just so you know. president mazzucco: ok. shall we start with commissioner hammer's motion? >> i'll concede you have the right to call the motions in order. so i won't argue that point. i did intend to move to amend your motion. and i'll allow the chair to rule on it whether that's a proper motion or nolt. -- or not. it's your prerogative. president mazzucco: i'll start with the motion at that we move to postpone this meeting with the joint board of supervisors, public safety committee meeting regarding community policing until three to four weeks whatever is convenient for commissioner -- form commissioner and supervisor david campos. with the hopes of having our next chief of police presently as anent gral part. community

dr. marshall? dr. marshall: what are we doing? commissioner kingsley: i would propose that we have that discussion as a commission as soon as possible, because we do not know when the mayor will make his announcement, so we ought to have a discussion on our expectation. it does not have to be complicated, but just so we are clear on what our our expectations, communicating better, and getting clear ourselves -- what are our expectations, and how we're going to measure the performance of the police chief. commissioner slaughter has expressed this. it is basically cry now. other commissioners may have got on this. in terms of getting clear on that, i think that is something we need to do when somebody comes on board, as a commission, as a whole unit, rather than waiting for somebody to come on board and an ad hoc p&e, with the various commissioners individually, and working with the commission -- come on board in having ad hoc meetings. i think it is better at the onset and that it would be better for the person and us as a body. vi

dr. marshall. vice president marshall: i do not mind voting on what is on the agenda here, to accept or reject. my problem is we have hearings so you can hear all the evidence. this is a way to circumvent that process. i remember when we started, and i do not have the transcripts in front of me, my problem with it is the second one, because i would want to have the evidence. i cannot dismiss it on a quick read that way. peter a vote up or down to dismiss. we need either a vote up or down to dismiss. -- either a vote up or down to dismiss. president mazzucco: let me interject. procedurally, how can we go about this? deputy city attorney? >> yes, commissioner. the item is written fairly narrowly, so the only options are to accept or reject. there would be no way to move to dismiss the charges. president mazzucco: i obviously read that we can accept or reject, but as a board, we often have dispositions in front of us that are amended during the process of deliberation and with conference of both counse

dr. marshall. commissioner dejesus. commissioner dejesus: i was approached and did hear about the joint meeting. and i thought we did talk about it here. and i thought we did agree to go. but maybe i misunderstood that. and i certainly think we should go. we put a lot of money into community policing survey a couple of years ago. and i wanted -- one of the things that survey said is you aren't going to have community policing unless you define it. when i read the ordinance, i was actually surprised that all this time we've never defined it. i thought we had. everyone has an idea of community policing. that's the problem we have in this precinct is everyone's idea is different. and this is something that i believe the study says it has to be from the command staff down and has to be embraced and has to be defined. without defining it, there is no community policing. so i was a little shocked that after all this time, we haven't defined it. and i read the ordinance, it talks about what community polic

dr. marshall kicked repeatedly saying, "you can talk about what is in the item -- and dr. marshall kept repeatedly saying, "you can talk about what is in the item, you can talk about what is in the item." one man stood up and said that he wanted to talk about something, and he was told he could not talk about that. six lawyers of the seven members of the commission. why you have to be taken to the sunshine ordinance to get the right to speak, and then i have to get up here to tell you that you really do not have the right to tell members of the public from talking about an item at all. you have a double track. you say if it is on the agenda, you cannot talk about it on the general public comment, and then you say you have rules that mean you cannot talk about this part of this or that part of it. you do not have a leg to stand on. you are discounting on the fact that people do not want to spend an thousand dollars or $20,000 suing you for the right to speak -- people do not want to spend $10,000. in a public forum, you actually tell people there are things you will not let

dr. marshall has a quick question. >> did the person make a complaint with the occ? >> i -- vice president marshall: yes or no? >> he'd never raised the issue with the occ. president mazzucco: if you could take that letter when you are done showing it to the chief and give it to the occ? ok. all right, further public comment? we will reopen it for you. >> i am desperately, -- i am debbie, with the domestic violence consortium. we are here today to thank the police department for the new protocols that were announced today at a press conference at 4:00. we're very excited about institutionalizing what is coming to be a cutting edge, leading edge new piece of policy. we're very excited about it. also, the implementation of an elder abuse unit, and the new codes for child abuse and elder abuse. we just want to take this opportunity, because this is a great day for us and we're very excited about the progress we have made, and i think it is because of our partnership with law enforcement that domestic violence homicides are down 80%. we're very excited and happy to be par

dr. marshall. vice president marshall: i think i stated in my objection it's just not the process that we normally use. i would be going in there cold. and be driven by -- i don't think it's fair to this commission at all. when we've done this in the past, when we did it on public safety, we read the report and all briefed and all discussed it and we went in there as a body with a common body of knowledge. for me, i know you made a commitment. and some people got something, some people didn't get something. that's not the way we've generally done things. particularly of this magnitude in the past. i would feel very uncomfortable doing it. president mazzucco: commissioner kingsley. and i'll have the last word, i think. >> thank you. commissioner kingsley: just a point of clarification. at what point in time did we agree to do this? was it after supervisor campos had already said that here's the date, this is what i'm doing, and invited us? or did you and he sit down and say ok this is the date, and

dr. joe marshall, commissioner james slaughter, commissioner petra dejesus.so joined by chief of police george gascoign. also with us are the it assistant chief. this isn't she said of the operation pirro. assistant chief denise schmitt. deputy chief john murphy, enforcement and security at the mta. commander sandra tong of the airport bureau. commander james dudley of the airport operations bureau. commander daniel mahoney, chief of the operations staff. commander daniel lazard, chief of investigations. this is a time when we stop and offer special members of the police department. these are members who have distinguished themselves through their bravery and dangerous situations. it is important to note one of the criteria for the medal of honor this one failed to -- failure to take such action would lead to center. these are actions above and beyond call of duty. at this time, i would like to invite the chief of police, cheif gascon, to come up here and speak. >> thank you, everyone, for being here. this is a special moment in policing movie get to celebrat