dr. mcquage said something interesting, people talk about suicide bombers and say that's the worst thinge said "i think these men are the worst thing possible because you have psychologically traumatized them so deeply, and then they're out in the world causing incredible violence, and there is no way of rehabilitating them. >> charlie: so what happens to them? >> i think eventually, due to violence, they die, but i don't think it's -- >> charlie: go ahead. you wanted to speak to that. >> i do think that there are reasons to be optimistic that it's not a completely hopeless situation. i think that there is a movement afoot to bring tools to the women in the congo to protect themselves. i went to hearings in washington and senator boxer spoke incredibly eloquently and passionately about this issue and said she wants to make it priority. she wants to stop this in congo and she used that language and i think that there are many people in positions of power that are beginning to hear the call. >> charlie: eve enzler said that. >> eve ensler said that and sheese one of the -- she's one of the