dr. mike davies and a scheduling expert who did some initial work in discussing scheduling process season phoenix. i focused my attention on working with the quality assurance dept. to identify what they had -- what information they had about deaths that have occurred at the facility and will review process that it put in place to look at those deaths we further put in place a process to match those deaths against potential delays in care so that we could see whether or not any of the deaths they have records of our necessarily were related to delays in care. >> you said you talked with mike davies? he did not go down with you? >> he did go down with me along with the schedulers. they spend their time talking with the folks in the scheduling office. also with providers to get an understanding of the clinic man to the problem. >> i thought you answered my question to ask you you travel to phoenix with. of the you said by yourself. >> i'm sorry. i flew by myself. they join me there them on the following user. >> thank you for that clarification. when did you become aware that the phoenix fa

dr. mike davies. >> did mr. davies talk with anybody at the phoenix staff that may have actually done the destruction? >> i don't know, congressman. >> i just don't understand how you can conduct an investigation about the alleged destruction of documents and not actually talk to anybody or know the name of anybody who actually did the destruction. or their -- >> that was the i.g.'s function. they were there -- >> i thought you went there to figure out what was going on. >> i was there tounds the process. and >> wouldn't identifying the person who did the destruction of the documents? >> i did not -- >> didn't you have any interest in doing it? >> i didn't think that was necessary at the time. >> it seems to be the first thing you should ask and maybe i'm simple minded. but there's question about destruction of documents. and you don't even know who did it or their motive? >> i believe i understood the motive at the time. >> but your contention is that the motive was just and within the realm of the v.a. and pro