housing in particular, which has been the -- really we have had such concerns, although, i think dr. moss says, you know, there are other areas that are of greater importance if you think about the disaster itself. the fact is that in this country we always focus on the person. and so, you know, they've got -- if they have 10 people in trailers, those are the people the press will focus on and, in fact, the average american is focusing on, even if your computer stuff is out. they want to know what you're doing as family or this disabled person or this person who cannot find housing or is still in a trailer and the rest of it. the administration after entreaty, entreaty in this plan did offer a plan and this plan of the last business day of the last administration. do you believe that this plan is adequate for addressing the needs of a catastrophe or for that matter a disaster? >> madam chairman, i would suggest the details of the plan empower a task force to solve what hasn't been solved so far. and by that i mean, i don't think you're going to see specifics of a plan that would satisfy a

it was dr. moss who cites a perfect example of national significance that somehow, they have to wait for dhs. nobody at dhs had any experience. only fema did. this was an incident of national significance and you have to do that first. whereas, 04, fema use all its expertise and said to the president that this is the accident and the mall was out like lightning. we have gotten rid of this incident of national significance. we still do not have confidence that we will see the kind of instant action if a catastrophe, something that we have never seen before. they do not have any oil in ohio. somebody has to make the call. my answer is, if somebody has to make the call, does the statute have to say who should make the call? or, it is all you need is some backbone? we have to make a judge for one way or the other. >> i would argue that the statute provides the authority but you are exactly right. it all goes down -- i think we are naive to think that if we have a major catastrophe, secretary of molto kno

dr. moss from the professor of urban planning in new york university. >> thank you madame chair i also would like to go back to the questions you posed of the outset of the hearing to we conceptualize what a catastrophe is and whether we have defined it to nearly and how we can rethink it an alibi to address some of their remarks i have heard that earlier this afternoon from the administrator of fema. first, the kinds of disasters that have been the basis of the stafford act were natural disasters and the history of disaster relief in this country is focused on the capacities of the federal government to assist to provide supplemental assistance to states and localities but the country faces a different risk than those what it was first signed in 1988 which appear remember was to decorate globalization has changed the way we do with other countries in defense way financial collapse in asia could disrupt our own financial markets and problems in the harvesting of crops in china could impose eno

dr. saunders? >> i think that's a very good point. we don't know what else they witnessed when their father was on drugs. >> susan moss, weigh in? >> what about when this custody deal was done? >> rene? >> well, nancy, i think we don't know what's going on with the children. there's so many factors going on with the fight, the grandfather potentially coming in and having access to the kids, their grandmother. >> what about it, alex? >> more likely than not these kids probably were evaluated. they're probably seeing a psy psychiatrist or a psychologist at the present moment to help them adjust to the situation. >> the only photos we have seen of them are around a swimming pool. everybody, let's stop and resch army staff sergeant eric kubon, 21st. on second tour. left arlington to reenlist. a green beret highly decorated. awarded a purple heart. life of the party. big heart. loved sports. favorite team, texas rangers, dallas mavericks and new york giants. leaves behind parents and brothers. eric caban, an american hero. thanks to our guests and thank you to you for being with me. thank you to the wonderful family who dumped our ca