for many of us, he will always be dr. niles crane in the hit series "frasier." i assume you're ok with that. >> i'm ok with that. thes: every seasone series was on, he was nominated for an emmy. costarred in the tony award-winning play. sonia and majia and spike." now he is directing that play. take a look at a scene. now, now. >> i forget something every day. i can't remember the italian. window or ceiling. >> that doesn't sound familiar. i don't think i know italian. >> you haven't forgotten it then, have you? how far back do you go? >> 30 years. he wrote a play called "beyond therapy." i did not even have a middle name, that's how young i was. audiences loved it, got a crappy review in the new york times, we closed in two weeks. that was my introduction to the world of theater. tavis: you have never been afraid of rejection. >> i had such a good time and i learned so much, this is what it is like when it fails, what must it be like when it is successful? tavis: a lot more of the latter. >> up and down. tavis: what do you make of having been in this play and -