dr. pating question, why now, what is real and is a good one to get an answer to. from the department.i do think the challenge of this is that the extreme of both if you will, both points of view archaeological. it makes no sense to have an operating environments where commissioners are calling people all the time in that apartment. it's confusing, inefficient etc. as noted at this income, makes no logical sense to say every conversation we have on any issue i'm thinking of it is going to, as doing our work as commissioners, is to understand issues, to bring thought, in this form, it's the same thing is the same sort of governance thinking that leads to thirtysomething propositions on a ballot. at some point, you have to ask yourself, like the spirit of it was good but the governance of makes no sense because no one's citizens can be thoughtful about 30 propositions. some point you have to say,-it doesn't really work. so, my point is the arguments about are equally powerful that the logical extremes are awful in terms of behavior could you can't have a commission run amok and you just