dr. peter whybrow is here. he is director of the semel institute for neuroscience and human behavior at u.c.l.a. his books include a mood apart and american mania. his latest is the well-tuned brain. it exams how and why the human brain is often out of sync with the world around us. i am pleased to have peter whybrow at this table again. welcome. >> thank you, sir. >> rose: pleasure to have you here. so did 9/11 lead you to think about the themes of this book? >> no, it was mainly the meltdown of 2008 because i wondered why did that happen? >> rose: the financial crisis? yes, exactly. how can a country believe it's going to live on debt forever? so i think that that brought me to the point where i thought, you know, if we really used neuroscience as we can, what we know about behavior, we begin to direct your public policy in a different way. >> rose: and how do we do that? >> well, many of the plagues that we have now -- obesity, debt, lack of trust -- all of those things have a common core and that's human be

dr. peter whybrow is here. his books include "a mood apart." 's latest is "the well-tuned brain."examines why the brain is often out of sync with the world around us. leisure to have you here. -- pleasure to have you here. did 9/11 make you think of the themes? dr. whybrow it was mainly the breakdown in 2008. why did that happen? how can a country believe it will live on debt forever? i think that brought me to the point where i thought if we use neuroscience as we can, what we know about behavior, we begin to direct our public policy in a different way. charlie: how do we do that? dr. whybrow: many of the plagues we have now, obesity, debt, lack of trust, all of those things, they have a common core, and the common core is human behavior, the way in which relate to each other. if you peel it back, which i do in the first part of the book, who we really are, we are short-term discounters. we love the immediacy. we love the reward. we are also have it-driven. if you put -- habit-drivens. you have a habit and a reward systems based on short term. but in the western world in general,