dr. murray on campus, helped with the petitions, campus reform.org correspondent phillip hoxley.im. tell us about the turnout the night of the event? >> well, we invited him to talk about coming apart, which is a book we thought would describe the 2012 election. but there were hundreds of people lined up to see the lecture including the couple hundred protesters but hundreds of students we had to turn away there simply wasn't enough space in the lecture hall. steve: how many of the people in attendance wanted to actually listen to him, and how many people wanted to stand you, hold a sign, yell or turn their back. >> there were a lot of protesters, about half and half. but not all the protesters wanted to shut down the event. there were several that wanted to protest, say their peace and sit down and participate. steve: okay. so your organization is to the right of center with american enterprise institute. you asked the moderator, who is to the left of center professor, to be the moderator. at what point did you realize, wait this is getting ugly, we've got to get out of here? >>