dr. porch for those that don't know him, is one of the most distinguished u.s. academics on the subject of military strategy and counterinsurgency. he is currently the distinguished professor at the naval postgraduate school in monterey, california. he was professor of strategy at naval war college in newport, rhode island. taught at united states marine corps university in quantico and u.s. army war college as well as the navy defense college in rome. his most recent book, is specifically on counterinsurgency which is essential to our inquiry because all these deal with surge and what general petraeus's attempt in 2006 and 2009 with the situation in iraq. welcome doctor porch. to begin, just wondered what you felt are the options which are potentially available to the international coalition and its partners in response to the current crisis in iraq and syria and which you think would be most effective? >> ok. now let me say two things at the outset. first, disclaimer. i am now retired from u.

dr. porch for those that don't know him, is one of the most distinguished u.s. academics on the subject of military strategy and counterinsurgency. he is currently the distinguished professor at the naval postgraduate school in monterey, california. he was professor of strategy at naval war college in newport, rhode island. taught at united states marine corps university in quantico and u.s. army war college as well as the navy defense college in rome. his most recent book, is specifically on counterinsurgency which is essential to our inquiry because all these -- weeks around the ground and surge and what general petraeus's attempt in 2006 and 2009 with the situation in iraq. welcome doctor porch. to begin, just wondered what you felt are the options which are potentially available to the international coalition and its partners in response to the current crisis in iraq and syria and which you think would be most effective? >> okay. now let me say two things at the outset. first, disclaimer. i

. >> dr. porcht the consequence of invading iraq into to those consequences and wonder you in biblical terms of just i ask charivari not be the good samaritan to these people? >> why are we in the middle east? what is the national interest to be in the middle east? initially to spread democracy. this is what we would do. the it energy security has changed rapidly and we have to ask ourselves do we really need the unreleased? what purpose does that serve? now with natural gas and other sources of energy may be the middle east is not that important maybe we can walk away. if we do that then we say what do we have to prepare for? short term or disruptions disruptions, energy supplies , and tell we get fracking ready but prepare for a humanitarian relief. there has already been a lot of bad stuff that has happened. prepare for that and it seems to me would be one of the things we could do from a christian perspective or humanitarian perspective and politically, with allies from the region to stabilize ,

. >> my last question, dr. porch, is that it has been suggested that if the tarrance group isil is defeated -- terrorist group, they will be replaced by something worse, although i find it difficult to think what could be worse. if so, what should be international coalition strategy? would it be flexible enough to take on a new threat should the terrorists in their current form be defeated? >> al-qaeda emergency is in whatever form, isil is the latest one, where ever there is a rebellion against a shia regime. they're always going to appear. you've also got to realize the middle east is one of the most wired regions in the world. there's no al-jazeera for latin america for instance. but al-jazeera in a way has played the role of unifying islamic i would say public opinion, certainly arab public opinion from morocco to the far east. in any of these rebellions are presented as a justified popular uprisings and they will get support all over the region. >> that's interesting. thank you very much. >> in your list of poss

dr. porch, stressed the importance of politics and i would actually sanction that. it's about applying all the levers of power, political, diplomatic, economic, reconstruction, humanitarian as well as military to achieve the aims of policy, and they don't think we've seen that. >> what difficulty with up with the military in, in terms of trying to do their job? >> if you ask the military to take the lead in a political vacuum, you are asking for problems because there is no such thing as a purely military solution. you cannot expect the military to apply force without the other levers of power being applied at the same time. so if that is your strategy, it is going to fail. >> a number of distinguished heads of our armed forces have said this will not work without ground forces. would you like to comment on that? the fact is, you have a problem with a strategy in the first place. >> yes. if you have a threat, and tv take the threat posed by isil, which is potentially looking at defeating and un

dr. -- secure the border, porching the money for the bore, i've appropriate end $800 million for spotter aircraft, helicopters, armored plated gun boats, more people, sheriff's departments and that's given the strength to an excellent -- we're very lucky to have colonel mccraw as our director. that's giving him the ability to run a surge and at least on the rio grande valley and to drop people crossing the border. we're not militarizing. mexico militarized for a years its border with guatemala by putting the mexican army there. this is a force multiplier. national guard, just to see and report. >> congressman, you're shaking your head. i want to ask -- a few years back, mexico does have an army presence. what is the difference between when they send the military to their border and when we send the national guard -- >> the mexican military in interior mexico they're using their military every day. >> part of the united states. we're have a wonderful 225 year history of not deploying the army within this countriment when we deploy the army in this country and them to do police work instea

brings the full public session to a close we will continue every discussion with the general but dr. porch? excellent. we think the public for coming and colleagues if they need to go. >> why can't we all get behind the president to do the good of the people i think it is over hyped between 10 or 12 minutes every morning and they still talk about it. there are other things that are important to talk about. >> and with the itc c-span2 a question of the ebola virus is approved we need a national one pair health care system? we have just seen much happens in texas with the capitalistic health care and now it will cost millions and millions to clean that mess up. >> regarding ebola and hospitals not being ready to it could have been nine years ago. there is a book called pandemic she went into how the hospitals are not prepared readiness for nothing we have a shortage of doctors and nurses we were not ready then and we are not ready now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> moderator: good evening from illinois the first to form all broadcast dates for the candidates running for congress and the illinois district the can