dr. preble and mr. donnelly, i'd like your reaction to a recent hearing, dr. thomas mankin stated that strategy is about mitigating damage an risk. he feels the u.s. has grown unused to having to take risks an bear costs. do you believe we as a nation have become too risk averse? both of you. dr. preble and mr. donnelly. mr. preble: i wouldn't say risk-averse. i would agree with the rest, that we have become less capable or adept at prioritizing. i think when we do see great risk aversion, especially the desire to not see american sole -- american soldiers be killed overseas, the question is, is the fission mission vital to u.s. national security. i think you're much more risk averse and averse to casualties when there isn't a clear sense of how that mission is serving u.s. national security interests. mr. donnelly: i have a different definition of strategy, to achieve our national security goals, not so much to mitigate risk per se. but i do not believe that this nation is risk averse. if properly led. senator hirono: thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> mr

dr. preble, would you comment? mr. preble:: i'm worried about nonstate actors, it brings us into an area of defensive dominance which raises issues of will we risk truly exquisite platforms and risk large numbers of lives for projecting pow entire other people's areas. this new era of defensive dominance. mr. donnelly: i think your principal task is to understand what our geopolitical purposes is. technologies, as mr. preble said, mean different things to different people we feel need to figure out what elements are central to us and our job still will be as it was in 1942 to figure out how to have an effect on the far side. we do not want to, you know, experience another sort of pearl harbor like event and our purposes are quite different than they were in 1941. we are trying to preserve an international system, not build one from scratch. >> mr. brimley. mr. brimley: i associate myself with dr. krepinevich's comments. i understand this committee is holding a theerning goldwater-nichols act, i think the 1986 or 1988 am

dr. preble, would you comment? mr. preble:: i'm worried about nonstate actors, it brings us into an area of defensive dominance which raises issues of will we risk truly exquisite platforms and risk large numbers of lives for projecting pow entire other people's areas. this new era of defensive dominance. mr. donnelly: i think your principal task is to understand what our geopolitical purposes is. technologies, as mr. preble said, mean different things to different people we feel need to figure out what elements are central to us and our job still will be as it was in 1942 to figure out how to have an effect on the far side. we do not want to, you know, experience another sort of pearl harbor like event and our purposes are quite different than they were in 1941. we are trying to preserve an international system, not build one from scratch. >> mr. brimley. mr. brimley: i associate myself with dr. krepinevich's comments. i understand this committee is holding a theerning goldwater-nichols act, i think the 1986 or 1988 am