dr. richard allen freedman, thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> first let's define the termsof this list. how has new york gone about picking who was on the list? >> right. so the way the state designed the law basically was to tell mental health professionals that if they are concerned that somebody is at risk, of hurting themselves or hurting somebody else, then they belong on this list of people who are potentially dangerous to self or others. and should not be able to get a fireman. - firearm. >> more than 34,000 people are on the list, you're against the list. why. >> well i think it's a well intentioned law with undesirable consequences. patients know when they talk to their psychiatrist or mental health professional that they're likely to be reported if they reveal that they're thinking about hurting themselves or hurting somebody else, it might discourage patients from being frank or honest with clinicians and it might discourage people from seeking help in the first place and that's not a result people want. >> you think about the groups we hear after columbine or th