dr. richard hartnett to explain his theory of cyber persistence.ur adversaries actively exploit us because they see great benefit and little consequence in doing so. i agree that the cold war models of deterrence will not work and look forward to hearing what he believes will take to influence it mindset of our adversaries. writings, his his focus to great deal of his research on the organizational challenges we face as a government. we understand he is working on a paper addressing the challenges we examined during our hearings in october. we look forward to hearing more on the gaps and the scenes he sees in our organizational model and what lessons we can learn from allies like the british -- british. brescia has yet to face serious consequences in the cyber or .ther domains for its 2016 elections and interference. we look forward to the testimony on how the u.s. can tailor and intimate these penalties and how the department can deter or dissuade meddling. we look forward to the testimony of mr. bob butler who brings cyber experience in the depar