dr. robbie ludwig an psychologist dr.rdier, how does a man with a 37 year career, four star general in the us army, distinguished, respected, how in the world does he take the cia job and think suddenly he will not be surveilled, and the good guys, the bad guys and everything in between, watching every step he makes, what would you be thinking? >> he was thinking with the wrong head, right? you know, i think people engage... >> i'm glad you said that. >> i figured i could get away with it. people who know him well loved him and felt he was experienced a void and we talked about he had this exciting life, he was in afghanistan and iraq and then, moved here, and perhaps felt like he was missing the excitement. >> lou: he's the head of the cia. >> still, you know, everything can get boring and then he has this woman, who is... >> lou: who he did not find boring. >> not boring and very seductive. and very complimentary. >> and very sad. has a lot of the same values. >> admired him and let me tell you... >> spent a lot of time