dr. robbins. i'm really interested in a contemporary sense about your comments regarding the hacker network's attack on the iranian nuclear program and kind of the feedback from that from a private internet association affecting a nation in that way. >> oh, the attack on the iranian nuclear program? that's fantastic. it's great. i mean, these people are geniuses, whoever did it. you know, how did they get it inserted into the network? the how did they, you know, how did they do the whole thing? i was reading about it, and it's just amazing. and it's a great example of the way to use tools other than force or to try to reach the conclusions that you want. and there are a lot of war game dealing with how could israel bomb the iranian nuclear program like they did in iraq or syria and somehow knock it out that way. but they're deeply underground, they might just slow it down, would they destroy it? the but they figured out a way to get inside their system and just completely mess them up. and solutio