our guest is robert jay lifton dr., leading american psychologist. -- psychiatrist. his books, "who owns death?" dr. lifton, u.s. prisons are feeling the effect of global revulsion against the death penalty. the u.s. is the only industrialized country in the world have it. so when european companies cut off the drug supply to be used in the execution cocktail of her prisoner, states of had to put off executions because they don't have the proper death cocktail. utah just past, as a backup, firing squads -- executions by firing squads. obama just past gassing. not clear exactly how that gassing of her prisoner would be done, if they aren't able to get their hands on the drugs. can you talk about this? you have written this book, "who owns death?" and talked to many people involved in the death chain. >> at issue is the mythology of humane killing. of course, a contradiction in terms. and with each form of killing by the state and caring through a death penalty, whether it is hanging, gas chamber, electric chair or the use of chemicals with each of these shifts from one