dr. roland, who served with distinction here and was here during the hillarycare debate. and dr. roland and other members had some great ideas in regard to bringing down, not only bringing down the costs, but also making sure that more people not only had an insurance card -- you know, that doesn't guarantee you access to care, but had an opportunity through community health centers, expanded community health centers where not necessarily a government subsidy, but people would pay on a sliding scale, depending on what their income was. medicaid patients, many of them were seen in community health centers. and also, dr. roland had the idea of having a medical liability reform. dr. roland, a family practitioner. i just mention him, because i would say to the president and my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, we can do this. let's unclench the fis tmp s and let's get away of what we were trying to cram down the throats of the american people and let's start over with good ideas like dr. roland had and like many of my colleagues have on both sides of the aisle. and i yield back t

ted rolands joins us from los angeles right now. ted, what are the lawyers for dr.ad murray doing at this moment? >> reporter: well, they say, according to a statement issued earlier today, that they're negotiating the surrender of dr. conrad murray when and if charges are filed in this case. it's really murky as to what exactly they're trying to negotiate. we do know after talking to members of his legal team, that really their goal here is to avoid at all costs, that shot of murray in handcuffs being led away. and the fear there is that it will be replayed so many times. this is obviously a high-profile case and they just don't want that as an enduring image. they're negotiating a surrender here at this courthouse here where preparations made for an arraignment. whether or not murray will be brought here by police officers or by his legal team, i think is what they are "negotiating." obviously after more than six months of investigations after michael jackson's death, it appears as though the district attorney's office here in los angeles county is ready to move f