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dr. ron paul. he ran for president. he changed the shape of freedom in this country. which one frightens you more and why? >> that's a tough contest. i can tell you, the two of them, they do not give me much reassurance we are going to change things in washington. i would consider them non-civil libertarians. even good conservatives are more libertarian than that it's fearful for me who argues the libertarian viewpoints and privacy. i have been arguing for years that we ought to protect the fourth amendment. n people in high positions with the technology now, i keep wanting favorable changes as i am but i don't know how this could reassure anybody who has an inkling about what libertarianism and privacy is all about. even with some of the appointments with the influence of wall street and goldman sachs it's disappointing to me. >> the civil liberties aspect of it is troubling it depresses me. i look at this. i'm taking stock in the obama presidency. he claims that the last 8 years have been wildly successful. one of the failures has bent increase in the surveillance s

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dr. ron paul. host of the ron paul liberty report as well as a form congressman and presidential candidate. welcome back. so i think one of the first things he is going to do, immigration is a big one. it's still a contentious issue. obamacare on a lot of people's minds. you could make the argument hillary clinton lost the election because of those premium spikes as the law began to fail and sink under its own weight. as limited government fans, you and i both share the idea we don't necessarily need government interference in healthcare. but is it possible to repeal obamacare completely put having something to replace it? >> not today with the current members of congress. they are not going to do that. you indicate you can't do it all at once. if we have a financial crisis where we can't way four bills, you may see an end to a lot of these programs because of the collapse of our economy. i think the biggest group who will be most disappointed are the thousands who went out to the trump rallies and