. >> dr. roth, did you want to espouse on that? >> i'll satisy one quick thing. we're being vigilant about the number of exclusions. you've got to take a look at market for the smelters to restart and have long-term viabili viability. we want to make sure it's not just on open season in the first place. >> and there's a question. >> senator sherrod brown, made points to steel trade similar to what you in the panel have made and he also said -- but i wish that president trump wouldn't use the word trade war when he talks about this. to what point is the administration sort of stepping on itself or undermining its on effort with some of the rhetoric that the president uses in relation to some of this. >> anyone? >> i think that the administration really prefers to make headlines and i think that they prefer bombbast over progress and that's part of the problem and seem to be shooting themselves and in fact, each other as they're making policy. one day we're making good policy on steel and the next day they announce they're suddenly going to enter into tpt negotiati