dr. rouhanifard, and it's just a really difficult issue for this area. >> the problems in camden are almost a mirror image of the problems that we have in philadelphia, the struggle between charters and district schools, the lack of funding. but remarkably, in camden, as in philadelphia, there's always money for other projects. we can't fund the schools, but we can fund -- in new jersey they're funding all kinds of development projects. and, amazingly, the people who are benefiting tend to be politically well-connected. here in philadelphia, there's always money for tax abatements, there's always money for big projects like bringing the dnc to philadelphia. we can always raise money for that. we can always raise money for the pope's visit. you know, whatever it takes, we're gonna raise that money. but for the schools, somehow we just can't get it together. >> well, and the pope's visit -- let me just jump in on that. that's $45 million coming from private sector completely, not from any government, and the economic benefit will be about $300 or $400 million. so i'm gonna separate that one.