dr. allen schwartz, spoke about the situation. we have with us in our studios here in new york the man who did the surgery on me, some 23 years ago this month, dr. wane isam, chairman of department prm of cardiothoracic surgery. that's a sister to this hospital. >> it's the -- new york presbyterian is the hospital. there's the uptown campus at columbia and downtown campus. >> larry: president clinton was at the uptown. you could have done his surgery. they called you but you didn't come. >> there's been a lot of misconception there. i think the cardiologist, that was on a holiday weekend. the cardiologist was calling probably a lot of people to see who was in town. i've said this before. i wanted to know who it was. they said, we can't tell you. so i'm thinking it's probably a gangster or a type of lawyer that i don't like. i said, well, i don't want to do him. i'm not coming in. >> larry: what occurred with bill clinton today is fairly normal in post-operative patients? >> well, you know, it's hard to say. the -- usually if a graf