dr. scott gottlieb, american enterprise institute resident fellow. dr. gottlieb, i want to begin with you. let me know. tell me about your latest worry, these hidden costs that you call the next wave of woes. >> well, the next shoe to drop here really is the subsidies that people think they're going get to help offset the cost of the insurance and the premiums aren't going to materialize. a lot of what is hanging up the website right now is its inability to calculate the subsidies that people get to offset the costs of the premiums. so you can rest assured the people who get through that process are probably having incorrect calculations made. there soothe set supposed to offset the coinsurance and the copays for people who try to go to use the health insurance and maybe hit a catastrophic limit that coinsurance, those subsidies are subject to a sequester. so the subsidies that people think they're getting when they go to the website, they're blatantly wrong. we know they're wrong. and there is probably little chance that the republicans are going to giv

dr. scott gottlieb joins us, american enterprise resident fellow. and ovik roy, senior fellow at the manhattan institute. gentlemen, welcome. ovik, let yes just start with you. this is a quick one, but i want to get it out. darrell issa subpoenaing sebelius. she won't come clean. he's been asking for documents, inside documents. who, what, where, what did the contractors tell her, what's it going to cost? >> i think it's a very significant development. as you said, sebelius has been stone walling. there's so much important information that we don't know. for example, the fact that they hadn't tested the system end to end, at least until a week before october 1st, and yet they still went ahead and launched this thing. they didn't have the security clearances set up, the security protections. the site crashed after 100 -- >> there are memos. >> there are memos. have the contractors not given memos? >> the contractors -- the memos on -- hhs knew about these -- >> the contractor said it's not ready. >> on paper. >> bob, on paper. is that's what we're go

dr. scott gottlieb is with a think tank, in the medical world, nothing ever comes for free. >> for the average person who hears that it is now the law that their insurance company has to pay for preventative services. season the that something people are going to want as part of their health benefits? >> i'm concerned about the things that won't be covered. you're going to see more things covered in pull that the task force recommends and more things not covered that the task force doesn't recommend. >> if the task force says insurance companies have to pay for something, and it costs a lot of money, aren't they just going to take money from other things? >> the affordable care act, what it says is, that insurance companies have to pay for a and b recommendation. it says no, sir at all about what doesn't get paid for. that then remains the decision of insurance companies, and, of course, for many people, it's the decision of medicare. >> and the decision of the insurance companies like aetna has been to stick with what the task force says. dr. lonnie reese man is its chief medical officer. >>

dr. scott gottlieb, resident, though, at the american enterprise institute. welcome back, scott, good to talk to you. first of all, the enrollment rates are so low. you're talking single digits in some of these states. to what co. do you attribute that? >> right now people just can't get through. they're kicking out 99 out of 100 applications. but the bottom line is even if this was working fluidly, i think enrollment would be very slow. a lot of people are going to go on the website and find out it just isn't a good economic deal. when they do get the coverage a year from now, i think they're going to be very disappointed. these are very narrow hmo network plans that aren't a lot for the money they're paying. >> so let's take a look at this. i think some of the people going on were thinking it was free. the way it was marketed by the administration you could almost think it was free. maybe for the low, low income people it is effectively free. but not for the middle class. and that leads me to my second question. doesn't the middle class and higher get hosed

dr. scott gottlieb. and ed hathelmeyer. and paul howard, senior fellow at manhattan institute, john in pennsylvania. your question? >> i understanding is obamacare law allows subsidies for state exchanges but not federal. only state. but they apply to both? >> right, the law said, state exchanges but it is expected to float bustate and federal, that is being litigated right now in court, for the time, subsidies on both. gerri: federal exchange, state exchange, you get the subsidies, does not matter you still get them either way. for bob in ohio with a question i believe medicare part b . caller: i'm a va, covered vietnam vet, my question is, do i need to take out medicare part a or not? gerri: scott? >> you could continue to be covered through the v.a. system, if you if through medicare system you may face higher out of pocket costs officially. but have you more flexibility in terms of providers you can see. gerri: all right to terry in indiana. his question about future of obamacare. >> yes, good evening. i have been heari