dr. daniel shapiro. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> i was telling you beforehand every time this topic has come up in our unit here at cnn it leads to big discussions. people have a lot to say about this. the bill, and i've read it and you have read it as well, it does not specifically mention in-vetro fertilization or doesn't outlaw in-vetro fertilization, so what is your concern specifically? >> the biggest problem is these are under a category that we call personhood bills that basically establish human life begins at conception. the problem with all of that is that in a typical in-vetro cycle there's more than one embryo created. and if you're being safe and cautious, you only put one embryo, at most two back into a patient at a time. so what happens to all the leftover embryos? many of them are frozen and many of them are never used. so these bills basically would make us the guardians potentially of all the embryos and would restrict how they can be handled. that some of th

dr. daniel shapiro, medical director of the reproductive biology associates. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> i was saying beforehand that every time this topic has come up, even in our unit at cnn, it's led to big discussions. people obviously have a lot to say. the bill -- i've read it, i know you have, as well -- it didn't specifically mention in vitro fertilization. it doesn't say it outlaws in vitro fertilization. that part is not true. what is your concern specifically? >> it biggest problem with -- these are all under category that we call personhood bills that basically establish that human life begins at conception. the problem with all of that is that in a typical in vitro cycle there's more than one embryo created. and if you're being safe and cautious, you only put one embryo, at most two, back into a patient at a time. so what happens to all the leftover embryos? many are frozen, and many of them are never used. so these bis basically would make us the guardians, potentially, of all of these embryos and would restrict how they co