dr. sheila robinson comes from san jose, so people are commuting in and one of the reasons why there is the attachment to the ministry but has influenced the migration of the commuting in is there is an out migration of african-americans in san francisco and you might know the population of african- americans is below 3% and it has had a tremendous impact to the congregation, not even just mine, but dr. amos brown is experiencing it. that was considered a black mega church in san francisco. all of our congregations are being impacted but those who come in, they love the ministry and they have a loyalty to the church. >> wonderful. we're going to hear more about your ministry and two ministries after woe take a break this morning. ntecostal. >>> we are back with our guests this morning. reverend john weems from calvary presbyterian church, bishop jackson. both are in san francisco. both located in very, very different neighborhoods. >> how did you connect with reverend weems and the church. >> i was attending and i got a phone call, a cold call from reverend john weems who expressed the desi