dr. sherin made the case. we certainly aren't going to do it all alone. there are 30,000 non-profits to help veterans. they simply aren't very well coordinated. doctor, i would ask you that at what level of confidence are you that this time we'll get there? i have a provider in the community that was fees-based. he mostly treats vietnam veterans. this guy is beloved in that group there. he canceled his contract in the milgd middle of that after 30 years. so i have veterans who say, why did you cancel this? this one was working, now i have to start all over again. so this new model that you're odd advocating, which i think many of us intuitively know the way to go. >> there is. the va hasn't led the way in the effort, but the va is doing this internally. this is happening within the walls of the va. the concepts we're pushing is to go beyond the walls. if we want to promote integration, we need veterans working with each other in the community. >> some of the things i read that the va is doing, those could be applied the same way and already are? >> that's