dr. southall's interpretation of all of this. if you simply look at the definition of an employee as has been provided by, one, nlrb administrator, that if a student is receiving a scholarship and additional benefits, that's compensation. if they are working more as a student athlete than they are in their academic work, then they're working. if they are subject to the oversight of a coach, then they have a boss. i'm not a labor lawyer, but that's, in summary, the definition of a student athlete. that would apply to virtually every student athlete who has a scholarship. man, woman, doesn't matter. you know, a woman's soccer player -- the difference between a woman's basketball player and a men's basketball player isn't that the men's basketball player works harder. it isn't that they're more or less talented. the only difference is a singular difference, and that is there's more people in the stands. that's it. in terms of the time commitment, their competitiveness, everything. the difference is one plays in front of a lot of peo

dr. southall pointed out, title ix has nothing to do with employee come and play relationships. title ix has nothing to do with any student-athlete fits nonemployee come including woman saslow player. it would be an irrelevancy. >> quick question. i know you played sports a couple years ago, five or seven years ago. i can't read my notes. i think it says four or five. not 45. my question is you had a lot of experience have looked at the opportunity as well as the challenges that come from multiple angles, what kind of progress have you seen over the last three decades or so as we wrestle the future challenges and present challenges, said as soon as the we've made along the way. >> certainly all of us think we can do better. there's no question about it. we spent our time talking about how we can be better at not patting ourselves on the back. as a former assistant coach back in the day and head coach student-athlete that it's night and day the changes come in the quality of physicians, trainers, i mean, we didn't know what a dietitian was a student athletes or head coach. the ch