dr. spicer pointed out it's a gateway crime to other activities. so having these meetings you can preclude a lot of this by dealing with just the part that they are doing graffiti damage, because they escalate to more violent and serious crimes. this training is great because we have got people from all over the country, canada and the united kingdom and there are things that you will pick up and say i couldn't do abecause the political climate, the laws in my jurisdiction whatever, we are not allowed to do those type of things. there will be other things you go gosh, i never thought about that. i think that will work really g. i will take that back to my jurisdiction. probably over the past few years i have gotten maybe 500 people who have become graffiti experts and set up programs and almost every program is different. a lost a -- a lot of the basicks are the same. some are in mark units and it all depends how it's going to go. you take the information and there is so much good training today and tomorrow. take the information that you want and